Question:
Hello QM specialists,
I have semi-finished and finished products with their own inspection specifications. in both cases, inspection lot (type 03) is created at good receipt.
I have several finished product batches coming from one semi-fin.
how can I be sure to prevent UD on finished product before UD on semi-finished is taken !
And if all the finished and semi-f are good how can I trigger the UD on all batches in one operation (for example Ud on the semi-finished batch operation)
Help is welcome
Xav
Answer:
Hi
From your message it is not clear whether one batch of semifinished product goes to produce several batches of finished material.
If the semifinished material in quality how can it be issued to further processing.
If you can clarify, I will try to suggest.
Answer:
Hello govindan,
Yes a batch of semi-finished is consummed in several finished products(FP) batches
I still have no answer to your question about how to consumme the semi-finished on finished product order despite the fact it is in quality inspection stock. I will probably make an MM transfer to unrestricted used without UD.
I have to precise that I produce SFP and FP in one run : it's steel production : liquid steel is my SFP and solid steel is my FP.
there are analyses on liquid and dimension to respect on solid.
all information is uploaded from an MES in one run at reception of FP : batch number SFP and FP + analyses + dimensions.
In R/3, I create in background a receipt of SFP + inspection lot + consumption of SFP in FP order (already created by MRP) + reception of several FP bathces in this order + 1 inspection lot by batch.
UD is done in R/3
Answer:
Hello govindan,
Yes a batch of semi-finished is consummed in several finished products(FP) batches
I still have no answer to your question about how to consumme the semi-finished on finished product order despite the fact it is in quality inspection stock. I will probably make an MM transfer to unrestricted used without UD.
I have to precise that I produce SFP and FP in one run : it's steel production : liquid steel is my SFP and solid steel is my FP.
there are analyses on liquid and dimension to respect on solid.
all information is uploaded from an MES in one run at reception of FP : batch number SFP and FP + analyses + dimensions.
In R/3, I create in background a receipt of SFP + inspection lot + consumption of SFP in FP order (already created by MRP) + reception of several FP bathces in this order + 1 inspection lot by batch.
UD is done in R/3
Answer:
Interesting...
I would consider having the semi-finished post directly to unrestricted inventory. I'm surprised you say you have an 03 created at GR. This is usually created at order release.
I think I would have the 03 created at order release. When the results come up, fill in the 03 inspection lot first and perform UD. Since the material goes to unrestricted you have no worries about the material being available for consumption for the finished products confirmation.
Then process the GR for the finished goods. Have an 04 lot created for these. Do your confirmations, then record the results on the inspection lots and make the UD.
Craig
Answer:
I made a mistake that's inspection type 04 that I use at good receipt
You are talking about a process with different steps.
but In my case I receive all information from production Of SF and FP in one time from an MES !!
I have to recreate the cycle SFP reception-inspection lot creation-SFP consumption on FP order-FP reception-inspection lot creation in one job in R/3.
Yes I have to find a solution to consume SFP in quality insp stock but that's not my initial question.
Afterwards I take UD in R/3 on SF and FP .
My question concern this process : how can I be sure UD is well taken on both production level : IF UD not taken in SFP, UD must be not possible on FP.
and is it possible to take UD on all FP and all his SFP batches in one operation.
I hope to be more clear
Answer:
In my suggestion I was assuming you were getting all the results and information at the same time.
Since your writing the development for this, you control in what order the steps are being carried out in. Shouldn' t be an issue.
Craig
Answer:
I try to re-formulate the question
My issue does not concern the way I recreate the data in R/3 based on information from the MES... forget this point.
My issue concern the USAGE DECISION. This is taken in R/3 without development.
I have One batch of SFP in stock with an inspection lot type 04.
I have ten batches of FP in stock with ten inspection lot type 04.
The SFP batch has already been consummed by the ten FP batches.
My user have to make UD on SFP and FP inspection lots.
issue 1 : is it possible to automate the decision : UD on SFP trigger UD on ten FP batches.
issue 2 : How can I prevent a user to make an UD 'PASS' on a FP batch despite an UD 'FAIL' has been taken on SFP.
I hope to be more clear. thanks to be patient
Answer:
issue 2:
I once had a similar requiremnet in a pharma project.
With a User-Exit we implemented
1.) Subscreen
a trafic light with visual information about former inspection lots
green = there had been ILs, and all UD were O.K.
orange = there had been ILs, but not all UD were done
red = there had been ILs, but at least one failed!!
grey = no ILs
2.) Button
with additional information about the former inspection lots, similar QA32/QA33
We used extensions QEVA0005 and QEVA0008
regards,
Arnim
Answer:
Ok.. now we are getting a better understanding!!
issue 1 : is it possible to automate the decision : UD on SFP trigger UD on ten FP batches.
I think I would use a combination of follow-up actions and the automatic UD program for this.
Have the auto UD run for your SFP only. If they are in spec the auto UD can process these with a ACCEPT code. Have a follow up action on this which would use a function module to do a 'batch where used' list to see in which products the SFP was used in. Then have the follow up action launch the auto UD program for only the identified inspection lots. If the FP had additional characterisitcs that failed, the auto UD would no process those.
This means you'd have absoloutely no need for any user action on SFP/FP that are in spec. On the out-of-spec ones, once a user makes a UD you could probably even have the function module make 'failed' UD's on the inspection lots you want it too.
issue 2 : How can I prevent a user to make an UD 'PASS' on a FP batch despite an UD 'FAIL' has been taken on SFP.
For this I would consider Armin's suggestion.
Craig
Answer:
Thanks for your suggestions arnim and craig,
I try this way.
Answer:
Ooops !
guest was me
Xav