Question:
Hi all
Here's the problem!
I was checking out the effect of the various inspection char. control indicators on result recording. There is a control indicator that is called "Defects Recording".
If this indicator is set, if some pieces are rejected while recording results (QE51), on executing (F8), it automatically brings up the screen to record characteristic defects.
Here is what I did.
- I created a Master Insp. Char. named "Tanuj", in which the control indicator for "Defects Recording" was set.
- I created a routing for a material, with one operation.
- In the routing, I attached the Master Insp. Char. named "Tanuj".
- I created a prod. order for the same material.
- After releasing the order, when I went for recording the results, on entering some non-confirming units, as soon as I executed (F8), the screen for recording char. defects came up.
- Then I went ahead and changed the Master Insp. Char. "Tanuj", to remove the check from "Defects Recording"
- On trying to record results again, the screen, that now should not show, still kept popping up.
- Thinking that there might be a problem with the order itself, I created a new production order, but the same thing happened
- Then I detached the Master Insp. Char. from the routing file and reattached it.
- Still it would not work on the same prod. order.
- On creating another new production order, everything seemed to work fine.
So basically, what I had to do was not only create a new order, but detach and re-attach the Master Inpection Characteristic from the routing and then create a new production order, for the changes in my inspection characteristic to show up in the results recording.
Is this the only way to go about doing this? I mean, if I want to change the control indicators in a Master Inspection Characteristic, should that not automatically show an effect in the routing and in the result recording?
Please help.
Answer:
Hi Tanuj,
1.)What reference does your MIC has?
(incomplete copy model, complete copy model, reference characteristic)
If you do not have a reference characteristic, the update in the MIC will not update your Characteristic in Routing.
2.) If you create an production order, the data in it does looses the connection to the routing. In other words, the production order got the data from release time. If you change your routing now, the production order still contains the original data. If you want to get update data, you have to re-read the routing manually. Than delete the inspection lot an create a new one, to get the new data in your Results recording.
Hope this helps,
Baisse22
Answer:
To add to the already lucid explanation of Baisse22 :
If you had created Tanuj as a refernce Char, you can unlock the MIC in Routing and change the control Indicators in routing. All future orders will have the new settings.
If you had created Tanuj as Complete Copy Model you can change the control indicators to your liking in the routing itself. The original Char has no connection to it now.
Answer:
Hi ...
Baisse22 and arksap thanks a lot for your help ... but i need some more
My initial problem was that my Mast. Insp. Chr. "Tanuj" was an Incomplete Copy Model and since it was not a reference, it was not updating itself in the routing.
I read in the help that for any Mast. Insp. Chr. to be a reference ... it needs to be completely maintained. So i checked the box that says maintained completely and made all the required entried so as not to get any warning message.
Then I created an Insp. Chr. named "Tanuj1" using "Tanuj" as the reference.
In the routing I replaced "Tanuj" by "Tanuj1".
Now if I try making a change to the control indicators in the Insp. Chr. "Tanuj1", I cannot .... it says "Control Indicators can only be displayed."
So I again replaced "Tanuj1" by "Tanuj" in the routing.
Now the control indicators for "Tanuj" are locked (can just be displayed)
My main purpose is that if I use a Mast. Insp. Chr. (say "Tanuj") in a routing, and then if I change the control indicators in "Tanuj", it should automatically update the Mast. Insp. Chr. in the routing. I do not want to have to go into the routing and change the control indicators there, because if I have many routings with the same Mast. Insp. Chr., I should not have to go into each one and change the ctrl indicators when I can do it at the source.
Please Help!
Answer:
If the requirement is as per last para of your recent Post, then create the MIC as Reference Char (X) and use it in the Routing.
Any subsequent changes to it from will uniformly reflect in the orders released after the changes are made.
Answer:
Hi all..
I did exactly what arksap mentioned and what's happening is that all the changes that I make in the MIC are taking effect in the routing except for the control indicators.
SAP asks me to delink (unlock) the MIC from the routing in order to change the control indicators to prevent inconsistencies. It shows the control indicators in the display mode rather than the change mode.
Is it true that if we attach an insp. char. to a routing then we cannot change the control indicators unless we unlock the MIC from the routing? And if that is the case then how can I make a change in the control indicators reflect in routing, without having to go into the routing and changing them?
Detailed steps would be really helpful since I am just a month old in SAP.
Thanx
Tanuj
Answer:
Hi Tanuj,
when did you get that error?
"SAP asks me to delink (unlock) the MIC from the routing in order to change the control indicators to prevent inconsistencies. It shows the control indicators in the display mode rather than the change mode. "
And yes it is true that you only can change control indicators from a reference MIC in routing if you unlock. Thatīs the purpose of a reference that it contains the same data as in the MIC. You canīt have a reference and on the other hand want to to have different control indicators.
My proposal for you:
Take your routing, delete all inspection characteristics and save the routing. Then insert the MIC (the one with "reference characteristic", should be Tanuj1) in the routing. After that save your routing. If you now make changes in MIC you have to save them. Then open Routing and have a look.
Can it be that you are changing MIC and have the Routing on an other screen open? Changes are never displayed online in SAP. Remember always to leave the transaction and start it again after making changes.
Hope this helps, if not just post again.
Baisse22
Answer:
Hi Baisse22
As far as the error is concerned ... consider the case that I have removed all the inspection char. from my routing and then saved it. I then attached the insp. char. "Tanuj1" to it and saved and got out of the screen.
Now, if I go to change the insp. char "Tanuj1" (QS23), i can change everything but the control indicators. When I click on the button for control indicators, it says "control indicators are only displayed" and they open up in display mode.
On hitting F1, it says that I cannot change the control indicators since I have attached the IC to a task list (my routing) and I need to remove its reference from there to be able to edit the control indicators.
If I change anything else (e.g. catalogs attached), all is fine and they automatically take effect in the routing.
Now I unlock the control indicators from the routing (CA02), save it and get out.
Now in QS23 i can change the control indicators, but on changing it does not take effect in the routing. The IC "Tanuj1" in the routing cannot be replaced also, since I have unlocked it.
Basically what I wanna do is this::
Attach an insp. char. to a routing (which i did) and then open up QS23 and change the control indicators so that they are effected in my routing(CA03). Is that possible, or can I not change the control indicators as long as the IC is referrenced somewhere?
The work around that I have figured is that if I need to change control indicators, I make a new insp. char. using "Tanuj" for reference and then replace "Tanuj1" by that new char. in the routing using the inbuilt replacement BDC. Is this the right way out of this?
Thanx for your help and patience.
Tanuj.
Answer:
Hello
To take care of this only there is another functionality called Version Management for MICs (Txn: QS22)
Answer:
Good point manianz!!!!!!!!!
Tanuj, check out if you are using the right version of your MIC.
"Attach an insp. char. to a routing (which i did) and then open up QS23 and change the control indicators so that they are effected in my routing(CA03). Is that possible, or can I not change the control indicators as long as the IC is referrenced somewhere? "
Yes, you can do this! But therefore you have to use an MIC (QS23)with "Reference Characteritic" marked. Use this MIC in your Routing. Then you can change control indicators in the MIC (QS23). You can not change the control indicators in the Routing. If you break the reference, itīs the other way around: Your changes in MIC (QS23) does not effect the Routing, but you can then change Control indicators in Routing.
"The work around that I have figured is that if I need to change control indicators, I make a new insp. char. using "Tanuj" for reference and then replace "Tanuj1" by that new char. in the routing using the inbuilt replacement BDC. Is this the right way out of this? "
I think i know what you are doing wrong. You are creating new MICīs with reference to "Tanuj". You just copy the entries from "Tanuj" to the new MICīs, thatīs why itīs not working. You have to change "Tanuj". Enter the MIC and under general information you got status (e.g."released") and next to it you can select "reference characteristic".
Tell us if it works,
Baisse22
Answer:
Hi Baisse22
On the screen that you mentioned ("General Information"), I do not see where I can choose it as ref. char.
In the status I can see released, not released, marked for deletion, cannot be used and archived.
Just to its right I see "Complete" (which is the indicator for maintaining completely and which I have checked).
Just below Status I see Language (EN) and the text fields, but nowhere can I see an indicator for ref. char.
I am working on version 40B. COuld that be the problem? or is it something in customization.
Tanuj
Answer:
Hello
The Checkbox for Complete means Reference Characteristics (in 4.0B)
When you use this MIC in an Inspection Plan, it will be initially copied as Reference Characteristic. Then you can delink
I am again repeating
If you have Reference Characteristics already used (in Inspection Plan) and if you want to change the Control Indicators, the following is the Procedure
(1) Create a Version for the same MIC with a suitable Valid From Date with changed Control Indicators
(2) When you Save, system will automaticallx pop-up a message for replacing the same in the existing Inspection Plans
(3) Follow the transaction
You will have the newer version of the MIC attached (with different Control Indicators) from the Valid Date you specified in Step 1
Answer:
HI all
Finally it's done by manianz's method!!!! ... thanx a lot manianz, arksap and baisse22.
Tanuj